the united states does not. >> guest: we're above that. >> host: all right. also in the book, you pick up a really big target of the left, the coch brothers. you beat them about the head too for supporting policies that are in their self-interest making themselves rich and economic think tanks, and that they put out a lot of -- i don't know if it's disinformation, tell me -- >> guest: that's what it is. >> host: they are putting out disinformation in order to con vinsz the american middle class to act against their best interests. >> guest: if you do that over and over and over, that's what happens. >> host: what do you mean? >> guest: say how wonderful policies are, and when it's -- >> host: we trade, low taxes on the risk, people keep profits overseas? >> guest: you hear that over and over and over, and pretty soon, people believe it. >> guest: one of the examples we cite in the book they engaged in, one of their non-profits, on the eve of the 2010 congressional elections, they began running ads that from the moment in canada, had a brain tumor, and you don